Tuesday, March 07, 2006


I just found out that I won the Blogisattva Award for Best Celebrity Buddhist Blog of 2005. You can read about it at


On the one hand, I appreciate the sentiment. On the other hand, it's truly depressing. For one thing the idea that I'm a celebrity makes me cringe. The guy even addressed his congratulatory e-mail to me "or Member of the HZ entourage." Entourage? Who? My wife? The five guys who show up to my weekly Zazen classes? Fine.

But what was worse was when I checked out the other contenders for the award. None of them were of any interest to me at all. If this is the state of Buddhism in the West today, it's in really bad shape. What I am doing has nothing at all to do with any of that.

Having said that, my visits to Still Point in Detroit, the Milwaukee Zen Center, the Los Cruces Zen Center in New Mexico, and my first teacher Tim's Kent Zendo in Ohio lead me to believe that Zen in America may not be adequately represented in the so-called "Blogosphere," or on the Internet in general or in "Buddhist" magazines for that matter. There really are sincere people out there who are pursuing the practice with energy and dedication.

They're just not blogging. Which goes to further prove that they're smarter than those of us who are.

Now turn off your computer and go outside and play!


At March 07, 2006, Blogger Tom said...

There are other bloggers out there than just the ones I identified as celebrities.

There are about thirty here at Flapping Mouths and dozens more on the Blogisattva announcement and a couple hundred you could find at Technorati or Google Blog search or on Buddhist bloggers' Blogrolls.

Don't worry, Brad. You're not much of a celebrity. And I didn't really think you had an entourage.

The Buddhoblogosphere has a lot of nice, wise, able, knowing people in it. They would kick the blogging butts of those folks at Still Point or those other Zen Centers if they dared to jump into the blogging pool. Just let 'em try. The Buddhoblogosphere in its current make up would blog circles around them. Our keyboards are redhot, suped up with extra letters to express ineffible words.

C'mon, Still Point. MAKE MY DAY. I'll TAKE YOU OUT, Still Point. I dare ya. I double dare ya.

At March 07, 2006, Blogger DA said...

Doesn't zenmar teach people to levitate? That guy is sweet!

At March 07, 2006, Blogger ryunin said...

hi brad, i sent you some emails with news about the translation some time ago, i don't know if you read it but maybe it got lost in the spam you get

just making sure you got the news

At March 07, 2006, Blogger Tom said...

Zenmar doesn't teach people to levitate. He doesn't have a cult. I understand he puts on his pants, one leg at a time.

EVERYBODY: Take a breath. Especially those of you who blog. Brad just said you're stupid.

At March 07, 2006, Blogger Jules said...

Brad wrote: There really are sincere people out there who are pursing the practice with energy and dedication. They're just not blogging. Which goes to further prove that they're smarter than the ones who are.

Jeez, and I thought Brad was going to echo Sally Field's Oscar speech, you know, "You like me, you really like me!!"

At March 07, 2006, Blogger Tom said...

I think maybe he is echoing James Cameron's acceptance speech for Best Pic Titanic: "I am king of the world!"

At March 07, 2006, Blogger oxeye said...

"They're just not blogging. Which goes to further prove that they're smarter than the ones who are."

Brad's comment was probably aimed more at himself than anyone else. He just copied and pasted the above from his Hardcore Zen blog. But it would have been nice if he had said, "smarter than those of us who are."

At March 07, 2006, Blogger Anatman said...

Tom said... "EVERYBODY: Take a breath. Especially those of you who blog. Brad just said you're stupid."

Nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah, Brad said you're stoopid!

I know I am, but what are you?


At March 07, 2006, Blogger MikeDoe said...

I don't worry about what I think, let alone what anyone else thinks. If I did I wouldn't write what I do....

At March 07, 2006, Blogger Dan said...

so zenunbound is a joke magazine right?

At March 07, 2006, Blogger oxeye said...

It is interesting that immediately after Brad's trip to Japan and visit with Gudo Nishijima, they both stopped posting to their blogs.

Probably just a coincidence...

At March 07, 2006, Blogger ryunin said...

i guess there is a lot of nitpicking about nothing in the comments attached to latest brad's blog - sometimes it is better to follow the essential message

tomorrow i will give my 11 year old students a lesson in ethics - i have been teaching them since september and kind of observing their behavior patterns

now it is time to give them a lesson and the lesson is a lot about these comments here:

if somebody asks you to pick a paper or clean your place, just do it, don' say I didn't drop the paper

don't criticize other classmates, other teachers, don't whine all the time - do your best to be a good student - don't point to details that are nothing but nitpicking, destructing elements - if you have something serious to talk about, do it after the lesson and do it politely and sincerely

i am going to tell them that this very world is full of idiots who only complain about others, whine and spread the virus of hatred and violence - it starts with the way you treat your place, your classmate, your teachers

when we tend to act like selfish softies who don't accept their responsibity for their own life, it is time to reflect on this - and say OH I am so stupid! we can never go wrong admitting how stupid we are

At March 07, 2006, Blogger PA said...

Ha ha!
I like Mike Doe's comment - "I don't worry about what I think, let alone what anyone else thinks."
Thas cool :-)
And it's a good point. Blogging can really take up a lot of time and can become stoopid. I almost forget sometimes to go outside and play!
And levitate :-)

At March 07, 2006, Blogger karen said...

ryunin, I'm glad my kids are grown. I wouldn't want them to have you as a teacher. Personally I'm glad I read this post because I had no idea that there were so many places I could go and read what people are thinking. If that doesn't qualify as "zen" then so be it. I have found in the many years I have been practicing that sometimes you have to talk to the everyday ordinary people who haven't made a god of themselves just to be able to confirm that "Yes, something does stink in this place and it might be that there are so many people here that are full of shit." I don't usually allow myself to be so obnoxious, but your post is pointing out exactly what you are doing. What do you care what people write here? If you don't like it and you think it is beneath you then just don't read it. As for me, I have a lot of reading to do. I am having a serious crisis with my practice and besides one person who has acted as a guide for me in the past three years, I have trouble finding people who can relate. But I'll save that for another time. Sorry if I sound a bit harsh, but even if these comments seem immature to you, people will come around when it is time for them to. I would never want any teacher to decide to "teach" my kids a lesson in ethics. Ethics are learned by example, children imitate their elders. My three year old grandson never hesitates to tell my husband that his grandmother "is not a pain in the ass."

At March 07, 2006, Blogger K'vitsh said...

Karen: I happened to like what Ryunin said. What was wrong with it?

Maybe it's the stomach flu talking, but days like this make me seriously consider never visiting this blog again ("So don't!" - everyone).

I read something, it's interesting, then all of a sudden people have hurt feelings and respond by doling out some more hurt feelings.

It just seems like sometimes people have the emotional maturity of children.

And don't get me started on the dick-waving every fucking time Brad has the audacity to post something...

At March 08, 2006, Blogger ryunin said...

i talked to the kids today, never before i did discuss behaviour with them, but today i tried to explain to them how important it is to help others, do something good, respecdt teachers and parents etc etc and wow, it worked, they got the picture and nodded with agreement, but it was more complex than this , we talked about it for 40 minutes

At March 08, 2006, Blogger karen said...

k'vitsh, What is wrong with it is "the world is full of idiots that whine and complain." The world isn't full of idiots that whine and complain. The world is full of people who act like people do. I wouln't want anyone telling my 11 year old that the world is full of idiots. I taught my kids to look beyond people's behavior as I try to do myself. I took most of what the others had posted as humourous. If we can't laugh at ourselves then we are really in trouble.

At March 08, 2006, Blogger ryunin said...

karen, these are just web comments and what i write here for adults is different in FORM from what i say to the kids - with the kids i used the word "lazy, arrogant, silly" and didn't sound aggressive, i talked quietly, kindly to them, i never get angry in classroom, i mean lose the temper, and i don't get angry here at blogs, as you can't see the expression on my face, it is difficult to know exactly how i use the words, so that's why there is more disagreement here because we can't see each other's face while typing and reading

another thing is that there are people who talk agressively while smiling gently and there are people who speak loud and use harsh words but their heart is kind, so it is necessary to estimate the difference and that's what i estimate when i read Brad's things- i feel that even behind his harsh words, there is extremely kind and sincere heart that cares about happiness of others

At March 08, 2006, Blogger oxeye said...

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks.."

At March 08, 2006, Blogger karen said...

Hello Ryunin, I will post later today. I am at work and haven't much time right now. But I promise. My comments are really related to something I am experiencing with my practice and how it is changing, rather how my viewpoint is changing. I think whether we are idiots or not, we are what we are. Need to tend to our own gardens instead of looking for weeds in other people's. Nothing that anyone ever told me had any impact. That is the way zen works. Words are words. Put the words into action and SHOW people how you live. The only other problem with that is intention. Why would you want to show anyone how good of a person you are? So it comes full circle, tend to your own matters and the world will change for you. Do something that is ego driven and it's bound to fail.

At March 08, 2006, Blogger Bob J. said...

Whew! I just followed the links from Brad's blog, and found this lovely comment from the eminent Mike Cross:

Exhortations by the likes of the little upstart Brad Warner to "fix the posture," it seems to me, are pointing people entirely in the wrong direction. That guy has really put my nose out of joint, declaring his intention to write his interpretation of Shobogenzo, on the basis of his shallow and wrong understanding. He relies on the translation I was slaving away at years before he arrived on the scene, while giving himself airs and slagging me off. Who does he think he is? The little lickspittle. If we were members of the same karate dojo, I would kick and punch the hell out of him. That is my very strong instinctive feeling towards the little lickspittle Brad Warner. He has really offended my sense of proper order.


At March 08, 2006, Blogger Bob J. said...

On looking again, I wonder why we are paying attention to this. "Blogisattva" is obviously some very new thing; he hasn't even set the links up yet, or doesn't know how. Plus, I think the blogs of many of us on this server (yes, including mine, but not just) are better than what he sites. So, as my dog would say when he raises his hind leg.... (and no, I don't have a dog.)

At March 08, 2006, Blogger flux said...


Trashing others really only says something about yourself.

At March 08, 2006, Blogger Chris said...

Maybe everybody should stop and take a look at their world and quit worrying so much about "their practice" and take care of what is immediately around them. Good God, I've never seen so many people get ttheir panties in a bunch over some silly words.

You coukld spend the day fretting over Brad's latest post or go out and play with your kids. Make a difference- right now! Right here!

See ya I'm going out to play!

At March 08, 2006, Blogger DA said...

"You coukld spend the day fretting over Brad's latest post or go out and play with your kids. Make a difference- right now! Right here!"

Or you could stop criticizing people FOR criticizing Brad, and go do the same :-) Or Brad could quit dissing Zenmar, etc etc.

I'm not attacking Brad (or you) here, just saying that if one is valid, so is the other.

A lot of you people seem to have a very authoritarian fixation on Brad, and a desire to always support and defend him no matter what. When you put something out in public, you invite (reasonable) rebuttal. I actually had NO PROBLEMS WHATSOEVER with Brad's post, but those who did have a right to voice their differences.

At March 08, 2006, Blogger K'vitsh said...

Yes, they do. I have no problem w/ that.

But it seems like some people really get off on criticizing him, like they're covering up something. Like they're trying to show off.

Who was the "thou protest too much" comment directed at, anyways, Oxeye?


Why am I getting myself so worked up? Why does it matter? I'm making it matter too much.

This is what happens when I stop meditating for a few days.



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